Unfortunately, us game developers need to eat too. ShellShock Live 1 servers currently cost around $1,000/month to host. ShellShock Live 2 servers will cost even more than that because we’ll be upgrading them. So, in order to cover those fees, as well as (hopefully) make a small profit to live off of, we will need some form of revenue.
I’d love to hear what the community thinks about this topic. If you could answer the following questions about ShellShock Live 2 revenue sources in a comment, that would be super!
1. Tank Coin System: How did you feel about the Tank Coin system in ShellShock Live 1? There will probably be a similar system in SSL2 with necessary tweaks according to your feedback.
2. Ads: I hate ads. That’s why I’ve tried to keep SSL1 ad-free. However, would you appreciate the ability to opt-in to see between-game ads in exchange for Tank Coins? (Ex. Every 5 ads you view, you earn 1 free Tank Coin.) This would be completely optional and you wouldn’t need to view ads if you didn’t want to.
3. Deluxe: Did you enjoy Deluxe being subscription based? Would you rather pay once for unlimited access? Or would you rather keep the options you have now? (1mo, 3mo, …, lifetime)
4. Other: Any other neat ideas? How can we earn a few needed pennies here and there without negatively affecting the player’s experience?
Thanks for your input!
1. The Coin System would be good, only if it’s not too complicated, like hard to figure out how it works.
2. Ever scence I had a SSL account, I never experinced ads. Giving us 1 coin would be OK if it will work out.
3. Yes, it was fun. Everyone should still pay, you deserve the money for all your hard work! That’s what I think.
4. More upgrades in the game that has people to pay for better stuff? That’s one way
Poiuy2
1. sounds like the best option
2. ad’s more ad’s – maybe you could look for some sponsors to your company. there are quite a few in Minneapolis Minnesota. California and etc.
3. This is usually when you File Chapter 11 – Chapter Good bye. I should know. you will loose a lot of players too
4. One would think you would have even more upgrades in V.2 -
2. Ever scence I had a SSL account, I never experinced ads. Giving us 1 coin would be OK if it will work out.
that would be an good idea
4. More upgrades in the game that has people to pay for better stuff? That’s one way
i would but i earn the coins so maybe more offers for that
1. the Tcoins system is good, keep it.
2.Ads :s well…if that is optionnal your idea is good but please dont spam us like many websites D:
3.Deluxe is usefull to reach lvl max because its veeery boring to xp, if you delete deluxe make xp easier to get & add more levels… but you know, people always pay for this kind of things so (about that a question> i have all possible upgrades in shellshock 1, i spend about 40euros and i dont want them to be wasted, can we keep our upgrades or get bonuses in shellshock 2??)
4.There is alot of bug fixes you need to do and of course a lot of weapons to create ;D and some of them can be unlockable with Tcoins….like before. no other ideas
I hope this was usefull ^^
im replying to this so i can be up here!!!!!!!
1.the system is good but it would be nice if you could earn coins(2.)
2.ads should be optional, but if you watch some you should earn some coins im thinking instead of 5:1 i think 1:1
3.i don’t really care
4.i like the idea of tank upgrades (armor, fuel, speed, damage, etc.)
And can you make it so that everyone has a choice to buy, lets say “80 Tank Coins” worth of stuff? I’ve heard people complain that their parents can’t buy stuff, and I think it would be nice if they get at least some tank coins to buy something.
Hey Poiuy!! Im Sniper man, remember me?
On Topic: I think the tank coin system is good. But my suggestion is to make another kind of XP and when you earn 100, it’s equal to 50 tank coins. Like in 1 match, when you dominate your enemy, then you earn 10 free tank coins.
Maybe we can call it an XD.
Or XT, XTC, etc.
Yes I do.
way too easy to cheat and take advantage of
Hey Howdy, Item responses to consider
1. Keep the current coin system it works don’t it.
2. This sounds good for when you need a short break . 5 ads to get one coin. the current way to earn coins is a bit of an insult I have done a number of the ads and received no coins for my effort.
3. I think you should keep the options you have now.
4. I think you could run some short time use offers so people can try out some of the extras. i.e. weapon packs, more fuel, traction for climbing, etc
Just a couple things to think about during the building process.
deathangel666
I agree completely with #4 and try to keep the current system with surveys/videos for free tank coins
1: I think it great!
2: I think that is a great idea. Make a way for people that can’t/don’t want to spend money still get at least a few upgrades. I think there’s a lot of people that would watch ads to get coins. It would sure beat the offer system you have now.
3: I really don’t care about this. I bought lifetime right from the first. But I think its fine how it is.
4: You could add an ad to the top of your page. It wouldn’t work for the other sites that host your game, but that way when ever shellshocklive2.com is visited you would see it until you scroll down to play the game. That way it wouldn’t affect game play eg. flashing ads etc. because you would scroll down and wouldn’t see it. But it would generate some revenue.
1:Its fine but dont make it unbalanced
2:Deluxe is fine.Keep the options that it has now
3:Nice idea.You could have a reward for who click on the ads.
4:A Better reward system.The reward system of SSL 1 is horrible(my opinion).
Tank coins worked fine. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Ads don’t bother me, if people are that impatient they cannot wait 15 seconds, then they can go play a crappier game.
Deluxe is fine the way it is.
Be able to buy a custom amount of coins, because sometimes you don’t want all that many.
This is unrelated, but can you make an external log in? So you can use the same account on multiple sites.
lol
But remember, these are the same people who couldn’t live with 5-10 second longer turns. Are you insane? 15 second ad??? In our society of increasingly shorter attention spans…
About the external log in… I found the game on Kongregate, but later wanted to log in on the SSL site. I support this request.
Tournament:
- 1 place – 3 coin
- 2 place – 1 coin
- 3 place – 3 point
Point – 5 click ads = 1 point
5 point = 1 coin, by click exchange button.
Add button ADS ON/OFF in options. When you start game shows 1-3 ads.
Realy nice idea.
The ads Reward system is a nice idea.
Best idea I have read in a while. Specially the ADS ON/OFF. People will still see it in the beginning, so if they are interested, they will click. If they aren’t interested, well what would make them interested overtime? Great ideas.
Hi
1. I think the ways of getting tank coins for free were way too hard: I have tried multiple times but they never seem to work! I’m fine with going to other sites and registering, but please make sure that it works!
2. This is probably the best idea in the list, I think this should be a definite YES!
3. It’s fine the way it is, perhaps a little cheaper? But that’s not necessary.
4. I always like it when you add new cool weapons, so some more weapon packs would be a great idea! (NOTE: It would be great if you could greatly expand the amount of weapons in the free part of the game, e.g. increase the level cap and give new maps and weapons for the next levels.)
Wgt golf uses the view ads for credits system and i watch the ads daily.it works for me.
flash ads all over the screen can be annoying tho.I agree that you need to bring in something to make money tho.
1. Yes keep it please.
2. Very bad idea. As much as I love getting free tank coins, everybody is just gonna use an auto-clicker and get stupid amounts of tank coins. Just put ads next to the game in a way that is not too annoying.
3. Keep it, but limit the deluxe weapons. If I buy weapons, I’d like to have them forever and not for a limited amount of time. Stuff like double XP can be time-limited though.
4. More levels, some daily achievements, etc.
Just have a captcha at the end. That way an auto clicker wouldn’t do any good.
1. I like the current system, but in order to get more people to buy, try making special offers like 1/2 off tank coins for a day etc.
2.I think that you should keep ads at the bottom of the page… there they wont really bother most players
3. I like deluxe subscription based, and i think deluxe will prosper
4. Try making it so that u can buy different turn games. For example, whenever hackers made 1 turn games, i enjoyed playing these games, and would pay 10 tank coins to be able to make 1 turn games.
In my opinion watching ads would be okay if it meant the site would be up for a long while. I don’t think coins should awarded for watching the ads though, but if people insist they need motivation to watch the ads i would say maybe 1 coin per 10 ads watched so that the feature and the free coins are not abused. Or if you think they will be abused limit the amount of ads that can be watched daily. Or will the ads appear before you enter the game or will they be simply on the side of the game screen? Or maybe even 1 weapon would be awarded if you watched all ads for a single day. So many suggestions so little time. I’ll get back to this later.
hey
1.keep it simple like ssl1 but if you want to make changes try to keep it as simple as passable
2. sure dude if it helps ssl2 running ill be in til it dies i dont mind help you getting more money ^_-
3. now i do like deluxe its fun i think u should have some stuff unlimited like stats,tank skin and others but some you have to pay for like maps weapons and 2x XP
4. trailers for new weapons packs and new features like a short 2mins or 3 mins videos show whats new and updates.One other idea is you should have like cards code for the game like a pre-payed card and there’s a code you can enter in the game and get the coins as soon as you enter it in the game
Here’s some thinking-out-loud questions for you.
How many kinds of ads can be put into the game or on the webpage?
If your careful and subtle about how you do it, that’s fine. I’m just not fond of intrusive or time consuming ads.
I’m aware of:
-The video ad before the game starts
-Ads on the webpage. Per-click vs Per-veiw.
-Ads and Sponsors in game.
If you put too many, do the others pay less?
If you put more ads on original site, and generate more revenue that way, can you create insensitive to play there as opposed to a site like Kongregate?
I’m all for creating alternative ways to obtain in game currency. In theory, the 5 ads for 1 coin should work. Might not. Some game sites offer 3rd party controlled ads and surveys to earn in game stuff. In my experience they’re hit and miss. Remember your target audience is mostly between 8 and 20.
As for the requested feedback,
1) Tank Coin system is great, but could be tweaked. I think I mentioned some alternative currency system before for cosmetic purchases.
2) I love this ads idea, but here’s my spin. You should set it up so you can turn them on and off at will from the options. If a player has them turned on, they can’t skip them. If a player has them turned off, they don’t even appear. The default should be off, and when the player first starts playing they are explained the deal and given the option to change it.
3) Substitution based is fine. The only qualm I had about it was that I could only afford to pay for 1 month at a time. Due to my working circumstances, I might not be in front of a computer for weeks at a time, so some of that time was wasted. I always thought it would be cool if there were an alternative form of game subscription that only counted the days you logged in.
4) I think the above post contained most of my other ideas.
1. Tank Coin System: It was pretty good.
2. Ads: I wouldn’t really care about ads.
3. Deluxe: Once for unlimited is my thang, but I would keep the options
4. Other: Advertisements directly pointed at the game; keeps people interested
1. I think the Tank Coin System is perfectly fine.
2. Earning free Tank Coins sounds nice, just make sure you can’t use auto-clicker.
3. I never got deluxe, but I think it’s fine the way it is.
4. Just put some ads on the homepage.
1. The tank coin system is good as it is I think “,
2. Great Idea!
[My Ideas]
I. Would there be a separate section for ads. It would be annoying if it popped up randomly, although thats still better than no ads. If its in a corner that says watch ads for instant tank coins EVERYONE will do it.
II. Would there be a limit? Obviously we dont want everyone farming for tank coins and not purchasing them.
3. I think the subscription works fine although I find it bittersweet lol (love the temporary XP boost but miss the weapons) . I still have a few ideas for deluxe though
[My Ideas]
I. Give everyone a free 3 day pass to try out deluxe. (exclude XP bonuses, but keep weapon and tanks for experience) I’m sure that will convince people.
II. Have more benefits. maybe involving some of the new SS2 features? Also something else would be custom map colors.
III. How many people actually bought the permanent deluxe upgrades? If it was only a few maybe lowering the price so more people can afford it will be profitable? Although if I did my math correctly it would cost ~$30 which is not that bad.
4. I cant think of any other idea other than increasing the “cash shop” And not just in quantity (example weapon pack 1,2,3,….28,29) but in variety. What extra content (other than weapons, maps, themes, tanks, deluxe) can be purchased without making those who pay to play OP (:
i shall donate a MILLION DOLLARS to fund the game!!!….oh wait…im poor….but you guys can write letters to very rich people asking for money …people like Kim kardashian or nicki minaj……thats what i plan on doing when i grow up…
ME: hi Kim Kardashian, can you please give me $20,000 because i want to buy a house but i am very very poor and sad???please???
KIM KARDASHIAN: aww i feel so sad for you…you just want 20 thousand…here i give you 100 thousand dollars…come back if you need anything else honey…
Solid plan, thanks.
no problem…hope it works…its hard to contact rich people… they dont have much time…
also, please dont make the game too laggy…u see…my computer is very old and it has low memory…im unable to play ssl1 for more than 1 hour…thnxs
same here, i used a very slow computer and it would lag for me. please keep this in mind KChamp. Thanks
Most of the time the lag is caused from server leaks i’m sure they will be fixed in the new server
The video ads that cannot be skipped are a nuisance. I’m okay with the ads that can be skipped though.
Keep up the good work!!
make it so that if you skip it you dont get the coins.
I would love it if you allowed us to watch ads in exchange for tank coins here and there. But if you do, please work directly with the companies and supervise the advertising process, because super rewards is a load of crap. 50% of the free tank coin offers I tried were trying to install viruses on my computer, and the ones I could do safely rarely forked over the coins. If we could have a more stable system for earning tank coins, I would be grateful!
hey kchamp quick question how many levels will there be ?
We’ll probably start with 50. If that’s not enough, we can add more later on.
COOL
Awesome! I always wondered why the level cap was only 40 in ss1 (out of weapon/map ideas? low funds?) Seemed weird. At least it isnt a awkward as having a level cap at some obscure random number like 47 or 53.
Also I think it would be great to slowly increase the level cap after the initial release. There would be nothing better than receiving a new level cap and new weapon/tank/theme packs to purchase every few months (:
tank coins if u didnt have tank coins how the heck would u even get the weapon packs
ads never seen them and so far its just been watch an ad and get a tank coin so if its gotta be five ads then u better give us 5 tank coins
deluxe the only things that i liked were the double XP and the spiked tank plus the artillery didnt do much damage but covered a lot of space
Artillery is one of the best weapons. It can do a lot of damage on 3v3 and dig a huge hole.
I think there should be Ads between each round, except if you are deluxe. Also i believe you should be able to try out the weapons before you buy them. Otherwise if it’s not broke dont fix it
Also you should be able to pay to transfer your weapons, and stuff you bought on ss1 to ss2
you should be able to level up your deluxe also like say u should get new deluxe weapons every time you level up
I had no problem with the tank coin system in SSL1. I wish weapon packs were a little cheaper, but who doesn’t. I won’t expect you to change that.
I think viewing ads in exchange for tank coins is a great idea if it will work properly. It could get annoying trying to earn a few coins and end up watching an ad for some random product that doesn’t apply to you at all until you’re sick of it. That being said I’m all for it if it works right and won’t be too annoying.
I like the current subscription based system. I wouldn’t change a thing.
TRUST ME, WORTH THE READ
I like the idea, and I know it can be expensive to host, my best friend owns a host and its expensive. The one thing that I think would be great, is semi-consistant new upgrades. What I mean by this is come out with new things for tank coins. I like the upgrades now, but after so much, I just run out of things to buy (for example, personally, I don’t care what my tank looks like, so I have everything but the tank sprites purchased)
Now if you come out with new weapons, and new maps, and new side games (for example, have a shooting range, where it is each tank for themselves and have random flying targets, and each person has either Shot- Mega Shot, and maybe Shotgun and each target is worth so many points, and we just have target practice. Another one could be a mini game side scroller where you have to save the world, and you could do co-op mode. Another game could be one where you have a RTS version where we can move and shoot at the same time and still have it 2D but have it where it is no longer a turn based, but instead we shoot at any time and can dodge bullets.)
I would think that if you also did the Call of Duty Prestige mode, (which I read you were considering) maybe that would help out because then you could have people spend tank coins on some new prestige weapons. Also, only because I notice the more people who say it, the better the chance to have it, TOURNAMENTS!!! I read some other people said it, and it would be awesome. We pay with tank coins, and have it be either a best of 2 person tournament, or 4 (1v1 and 1v1 winners/losers go 1v1) or more (6 person 1v1 and 1v1 and 1v1 winners/losers do a free for all) and so on and so forth.
And final idea to get you $$ is to have it maybe even as a Facebook game. I don’t know how much you know about Facebook games, but they make tons of money. Like farmville, multi millions. I personally hate this idea, because I hate Facebook, but have it as Facebook and non Facebook game (if feasible)
I def agree with you got here. The side scrolling missions and co-op modes is amazing for sure. Prestige weapons as well. Having constant upgrades keeps things fresh. Shooting the same weapons after a while does get kinda old! I really like the RTS concept to. Adds more of a strategy to game where you actually have to talk more to your team or in solo mode just being quick! Kudos for sure!
KEEP THE TANK COIN SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE DELUXE ACCOUNT SYSTEM….both of these systems are very easy to maneuver.
1) It’s okay to maintain a system of ‘cash tank’, the only exceptions would be, is confusing the conversion of ‘real money’ to ‘money-tanks’ and another that I would like to put a value hand without being fixed, like today because sometimes missing or spare coins in the system without use.
2) Technically, almost everything has ads today, you want it or not, and never get anything for it, so long as it was not too invasive or in the middle of the games fine by me, if you give coins ads seen better.
3) The Deluxe I prefer it to be forever, but the way it is is good for you pros and players, only the prices (especially the eternal) should fall, in my opinion of course.
4) Other ideas? Release the colors of the maps for all anyone seems to want to buy them, maps, tanks and weapons are purchased in order for the package individuis sometimes have something you want and not all, so could lower the values and buy only those you really wanted, a system test-driver to test it before buying.
lifetime deluxe is good
ads with one tank coin a good idea
short weapon tests (trial) to make free users grip to them, so they want to pay
the tank coins system is still ok, but make a better weapon shop please
1. Tank Coin System:
Keep it simple. I like the idea of upgrades…and you’ve got to keep the game financially secure…but don’t make it too over-blown. Keep the game balanced.
2. Ads: I hate ads.
I would certainly opt out, but I have not problem paying for subscriptions, etc. Maybe static ads on the side of the browser? And please don’t run ads for things like “male enhancement pills” or any of the other huge # of scams that are out there.
3. Deluxe:
I am on again/off again with deluxe. It is nice to be able to be deluxe for a little while, and then going back to non-deluxe. I do it mostly to get exp to climb the boards…but it has its negatives (perception, mostly…non-deluxe players don’t like you). Maybe tone down the power of the deluxe ammo? The trick is to make it so not one aspect is too over-powering. Maybe make an option to get x2 exp, without the extra ammo…40th lvl deluxe is a little >too< powerful.
4. Other: Any other neat ideas?
Create a league…with teams. Make some kind of standard/fair format for the league…with teams that are ranked based on performance. Make results public. Run mini-tournaments, or leagues, based on teams, each night. Make a page where people can go to learn about the leagues, sign up for upcoming games, and join teams. Have the league automated…probably would be a lot of coding. But back in the 80's and 90's, there used to be a game called "netrek" that had something similar to this…only you were fighting in Star Trek based ships. They had leagues, etc. Games would need to be scheduled in advance for the pre-set league matches…but tournaments could be run just ad-hoc with whoever is there that night. The games could be invite only…with only the players who are supposed to go into a game get the invite code. Game starts once everyone is there. If it is successful…you can charge tank coins to play….or make it free, and hope it increases the player base (and thus get more off ads).
Also…have you ever noticed that when you try and navigate away from an email you are composing, you get a pop-up that asks if you really want to navigate away? Can you make it so that if you accidentally click on the wrong thing, or hit the wrong key, you get a pop-up asking if you want to navigate away from the game? Would save me many an accidental drop.
Can there please be a way to pay for/buy tank coins using a Visa Vanilla gift card, an American Express girft card etc. I have one but don’t know how to use it. I looked it up on the internet, and it’s a loooooong process (look up ‘how to use visa vanilla on paypal’ on google). Could there be a seperate button for paying with gift cards so it’ll be a lot easier? Thanks!
Here it is KChamp, or as I prefer… Kansas City Champ (wishful thinking). The answer to your problems. Weapon pack 1 includes
1. subway bmt bomb
2. mountain dewm
3. Jack in the (tricky) box
4. meow mix cat (a cat that blows up like crazy nade and plays the meow mix song)
TADA!!!
That’s clever sponsoring. Probably wouldn’t ever work but I thinks it’s pretty awesome
You forgot the McDonald’s Spinning Arches of Death.
1. Tank coins are cool but is there a way to work out the exchange rate for kongregate kreds?
2.Ads are an excellent way to keep ssl2 afloat go for it.
3.Deluxe is cool but could you make it so there is a way to sample maybe one weapon of your choice from a weapon pack and also get the use of ssl1 weapons?
4. Well stating back to my boss mode comment maybe you could make it so tank coins pay your way into a boss mode fight.
I think all weapon packs will be available in the firing range – so they can be tested before you buy them.
1. Tank Coin System: How did you feel about the Tank Coin system in ShellShock Live 1? There will probably be a similar system in SSL2 with necessary tweaks according to your feedback.
2. Ads: I hate ads. That’s why I’ve tried to keep SSL1 ad-free. However, would you appreciate the ability to opt-in to see between-game ads in exchange for Tank Coins? (Ex. Every 5 ads you view, you earn 1 free Tank Coin.) This would be completely optional and you wouldn’t need to view ads if you didn’t want to.
3. Deluxe: Did you enjoy Deluxe being subscription based? Would you rather pay once for unlimited access? Or would you rather keep the options you have now? (1mo, 3mo, …, lifetime)
4. Other: Any other neat ideas? How can we earn a few needed pennies here and there without negatively affecting the player’s experience?
Hello,
1. Tank Coins are definetly very nice. The prices should be like on SSL1 or a bit cheaper, that’s just … nice.
2. Every game uses ads. And ads aren’t bad – they help keeping such a nice game with a free system online. If people want to play ShellShock Live 2, they should see ads too. But adds should be deactivated for Deluxes.
3. Deluxe is very nice – just, that double EXP is a bit too much. Maybe 25% – 50% more EXP, but not 100%.
Deluxe’s Price should be a bit more. To make it worth it’s money, you could add special stuff to it, like 10% more speed or 10% more fuel or such stuff.
4. Tank Packs, Map Packs and Weapon Packs should remain. Also, you could add some Music Pack or special ability packs.
5. You should add buyable skills or such, like I said on Deluxe with 10% more speed or such.
There are so much ways for that.
Regards,
Shesiressu
I 100% support deluxe soundtrack!
kchamp i think there could be some things added to the packs like fuel pack that you could buy so u can move farther and 4 wheel drive so u can get out of holes i know i would buy both idk about others. and also maybe make the game so you can keep leveling up even if you dont get weapons from it you should make it hard like maybe after you get level 40 you can be given the choice to restart your data and it will give you some kinda symbol for it so the game doesnt get boring with only get level 40 and done thanks
Speaking of which, will there be a new music? I’m hoping for some variation.
yes, please add an instant mute button.
Also for music ideas:
Hall & Oates – Private Eyes
Spongebob Squarepants theme
Phil Collins – In The Air Tonight
Cradle of Filth – Saffron’s Curse
My Music
Any KMFDM track…
Everything from Phil Collins to Spongebob… I like your taste.
I would absolutely love the idea of watching ads for free tank coins. However, I noticed that in SSL 1, people in America could get free tank coins too. But I couldn’t, because i’m not from America. I do realize that there are less ads and stuff for other countries (especially for mine, Belgium) but maybe there is a way to at least get these ads to be available in other countries? I would really appreciate that, as i love SSL but I cannot buy things online ^^
You guys should improve your weapons. All the different types of weapons in shellshock live 1 are different but have the same damage and that’s stupid. There should also be a super powerful weapon that beats them all and clears the whole map. There should also be an immobilizing weapon, if you shoot them, they can’t move.
1.Keep it the same it worked out well in the ss1
2. I think this would be a great idea to those who are short just a few points from getting that new weapon pack haha.
3. Even though it doesnt make a difference to me because i am a lifetime deluxe member i like the subscription system the way it is. its better that way for people who like the game but arent to serious enough into it to be playing it for months and months.
4. maybe you could have deluxe players have the option to select a few weapons before the game starts?? or something like that.
elemental pack…
fire…ice…earth….air.. guns…….avatar the airbender…nvm
You need to add 2 small arrows that allow you to drive without needing a keyboard. This way when jerks on a tablet play they can actually move.
Also no need to worry about Ipad seeing as Ipad and Iphone cannot run flash games. Meanwhile 2 years ago android is. Also kindel can even run flash. When will apple learn?
Never. Because there nazis.
1.thats good
2.i think it should be pre 1 ad you wach gives you 0.5 of a tank coin
3.i think you should keep it like it is but make it a littel cheaper not much were yer losin monry but a littel less
4.i think you should have were if you or yor team get 1st you or each player gets 4 tank coins, 2nd same 1st but with 3 tank coins, 3rd same as 1st and 2nd but with 2 tank coins, and with last they get 1 tank coin
this might be abit silly
but
what if u get frozen adds at the top of the screen and then ur playing u dont see them
but not moving adds cause they give u lag i mean like asda advert of something
by the way just read again but cant
u do unlimited deluxe and 1 month or 3 months cant u do all of them
and the game servers if its ur game why do u have to pay for servers and shouldnt like kong have to pay for some are there servers
anywayz include discount days plz
I thought the map creation was going to be a deluxe thing or no? Maybe make a deluxe version that gives you more options like color and obstacles. Be able to create hot spots where boxes will most likely drop. Add a trial/rent for all the weapon packs. say pay a dollar and get 10 days worth.
Please add a target_blank attribute to the ads on SSL1
Hey,
if I think about this again, that “clever sponsoring” idea isn’t that bad! Kyle, you could ask some big company if they want some advertising in a neat game.
The advertising methods about that could be like:
Weapon Packs which include the company
As example:
- Whooping Whopper (A flying burger, from “Burger King”.)
- Flying McFries (5 Fries, shoot like a harpoon or such, from “McDonalds”.)
- Morning Dew (A green bottle, which explodes on the enemy, will change the background into a big morning sun written “Mountain Dew” in it, from “Mountain Dew.”)
There are so much ways. This is called clever marketing – and I don’t think players will care about such advertising stuff – as long as it does damage, haha.
BTW, THERE IS AN EXTREMELY CRUCIAL ERROR IN SSL1 THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN 2.
After you fire, if you change windows, IE open another browser, pull up a windows folder, the game LAGS and does not end youre turn until you RETURN to the browser page that is hosting SSL.
is there a way to report hackers.. im normally not one to do this.. but it ruins the game.. alihb20 for instance.. has cheated anytime i’ve seen him in a game.. sometimes will shoot his own guy and still get over 100 points.. some how has infinite fuel.. i think being able to report hackers would be useful.. just a way to click on the tank and have the option.. but also penalize people that report somebody is a hacker if they arent actually cheating..
I think that there shoud be like 100 lvls but easier to lvl up (e.g lvl 16 500-850 xp to lvl up to lvl 17) and prestige mode
OR
At the Start of the game when u login for the FIRST time ever you get to choose if you want easier lvl up (result: less stronger weapons) or harder to lvl up (e.g lvl 16 900-1400 xp to lvl up) (result: a fair amount of more damage if you compare the highest xp of the easier lvl ups to the highest xp of the harder lvl ups) or HARDEST lvl up which is the same amount of xp to lvl up in harder lvl mode BUT you will earn 100-300 LESS xp (pretty harsh ‘ay anyway the result is you get 100 more damage to all your wepons AND will get to choose ONE thing that you need to buy with tank coins on each lvl 5 OR can save up and choose WHOLE PACK each lvl 20 OR you can save up to lvl 100 and activate prestige without using any 1-time use lvl-up cent(as reffered get on every 5 lvls) or Super-Special-Cents (get 1 on each lvl 20 used to buy a whole pack) and can get all the items in ONE catagory (these are called prestige-presents) (e.g is I spend my Prestige-present on the wepons catagory then i get ALL the weapon packs or if i spend on duluxe i get lifetime access? (Kchamp u can decide)and if i spend on maps catogory i get all of the map packs etc)
This is ALL i have to give but REMEMBER if this idea is good enough to get into SSL2 the Prestige-Presents and Super-Special-Cents are ONLY AVAILABLE IN HARDEST XP LVL UP MODE! and btw Kchamp if you think this good and should go in SSL2 but think it is a bit unfair you can adjust it as much as you want but not too off target to this one.
Thank you for reading this post, (if you did)
Xizuo123
1: Tank coin system works out pretty decently for those who can invest money in which i did and was well worth it but siding with those who can’t really afford it I think acquiring free coins for XP gained, victories, levels gained and the 5 ads is a great idea. I’m stoked about ssl2 but i just don’t wanna lose everything I’ve purchased cause I’ve def dropped a pretty penny on this game.
2: As far as the ads go I don’t mind really. Gives me a second to get ready for the game. That’s a decision that would seem to be better off left to you guys and maybe a couple ad haters!
3: OMGAAD if anything please keep Deluxe cause the one time purchase was enough for me and I have the peace of mind knowing I can come back whenever I want and play ssl and hopefully ssl2!!! I have no problem buying upgrades for tanks, maps and weaps but again lemme keep my deluxe!
4: Laser sight shots, Mines, combination tank weapon shots i.e.-One tank has a certain weapon that can be paired with another weapon from a player tank to be shot! Def the upgrading tank idea is a good one. Everything you guys have done so far is genius and i wouldn’t change a thing! Also, level 40 is awesome but I think everyone would love a level 100 tank stacked and maxed out! Tank upgrades that resist certain weapons. Def bring some more alien based stuff like abduction ray that picks a tank up and moves it to the other side of the board and drops it causing damage as well! Interactive environments. Shields for sure. All in All don’t hold back on us!! MAKE IT EPIC!!!
There could be a item in the ShellShop that gives people more fun such as ‘Bullet Cam’, where when you shoot a bullet, you’ll see thing from it’s ‘Point of View’, and other ‘Ablities’. It won’t alter gameplay, but it’ll make things more ‘fancy’ for players.
I have one question: I been hearing the players on http://www.kongregate.com wont be able to cash in their account only the players that play on the main site. Will there be some way the players on kongregate be able to transfer anything at all?
I would also like a one time payment, if there is anything you can do to make that happen that would be amazing.
thats what im worried about i play shellshock on kongregate.com i dont know if i will be able to cash in my account
You will.
last time I checked there was not gonna be a direct transfer. KChamp did say that shell shock players will be compensated based on total XP and tank coins spent. He did not go into details but I do know he responded to one of my comments on the kongregate comment section saying the exact same thing (shell shock veterans would be compensated) (:
Thanks, although i might be miss reading, but my account will be able to transfer?
We need moderators! This will make the game 1.437 times better
I have no idea what kind of revenue the tank coins currently bring in- but back a year ago when I was play a lot, I knew many many many people that bought tank coins (including myself) for the weapons, maps, deluxe, etc. I think the system is solid as it is, but also like the idea of the Option to see ads for coins.
1. Tank Coin System: Yes, the Tank Coin System works. I’m ok with that.
2. Ads: I hate ads too, but I can put up with them if they’re not too intrusive. If I have to wait 30 seconds to play a game while some crap ad plays, that’s not good. If it’s just a side banner that I can ignore, that’s ok.
3. Deluxe is fine as it is. I’ve paid cash, others have done the surveys. Most of us know how the surveys work
4. Other: I’m not an expert, but can you get cash from twatbook and twatter? Just keep the links to one side where I can avoid them.
I forgot to mention this before, but the only thing I didn’t lke about the ShellShop was that you couldn’t have a refund. Obviously you can’t refund on Deluxe Membership, but for all the others (I’m 50/50 about refunding on weapon packs) should be redeemable for a refund.
Very nice idea, refunds would be fine…
On topic:
1) Tank Coins system is fine, so keep it as it is now
2) I really like the ads idea… 1 Tank coin for us, and some cash for you…
3) I think that players should pay for a period of time they decide!
Something as: 1 Month = 20 Tank coins; 1 Month and a half = 30 Tank coins and so on…
4) I had a strange idea… Maybe you could put a payment of about 1 Tank coin to have a little amount of a weapon, chosen by the player!
I don’t know if I’ve explained well… For example: pay 1 Tank coin in a match to have 3 bullets of a weapon…
Or at least more unlockables, maybe less weapon in a weapon pack, and more weapon packs, so you can gain something more
I like the idea of a refund – especially if you have “30 days to return it” or whatever the option.
Honestly, I was told there wouldn’t be any updates for a while, so I spent my coins on map pack and colour theme, then LITERALLY 24 hours later, weapon pack 5-6 came out and I was super bummed!
I think we should be able to upload our music onto the game, making it public or private, then we could switch through music and make playlists.
Like on Youtube.com
Will there be compatibility with armor games accounts? I spent alot of time playing on my account through there without realizing I could not login through shellshocklive.com with that account.
Something really needs to be done about cheating too. It is extremely easy to use cheating programs and edit damage delivered, fuel remaining, and unlocking weps and tanks. I pay all this good money and players like: icebo0y just cheat and run across the entire map and hit you with a creek that does 176 dmg. He even used an artillery one 1 player for 280 damage. This is BS. I payed good money to use this game and SOME moderator efforts would be appreciated. Make me a mod and I will clean the streets of hackers.
http://www.change.org/petitions/kchamp-games-elect-uselessmidget-as-moderator
Is it just me, or something’s messing up? Everytime I click that link it says, “We couldn’t find the page you were looking for.” [Just saying in case you haven't checked.]
1. I thought the tank coin system worked well, I never had any problems with it.
2. That is genius. People who don’t want to pay for tank coins, watch ads. But what happens when someone who is watching ads plays with someone who isn’t, maybe like 30 intermission between games before host can start, where you can do up grades or look at other tanks stats.
3. yes I very much did enjoy it the way it is, sometimes i like it when you cant see that i have all the good weapons
4.Sorry cant think of any
ok i have a plan that might be able to make you guys some money, be more affective, and still keep the public happy
alright, here i go…(some opinions too)
1) [the ads and EXP system] the ad system sounds good, and it will allow you to get more money, but heres what i was thinking, maybe with the EXP you earn. EXP is stored overtime, and all upgrades are available that could normally be earned by level, you just need to “buy” it with EXP, also you can make it so you can just buy EXP similar to the way that you buy Tank coins, except its optional for items.
2) [Tank Coin System] i think you should have it set up similar to the old one with the bonus ads and such, but make the stuff you can get with tank coins more expensive, really i spend $20 and i can buy a pretty large selection of stuff. so, also you could create it so that Tank Coins can be bought with EXP, (ex. 500 exp = 1 TC)
3) [Deluxe setup] keep the original setup for Deluxe, maybe even make a Premium package that costs 600 TC for a lifetime set. and double the stuff.
4) i know people like bonus stuff, so heres a though of what you could do (pay for it or use TC to get it) you can make it so they can buy these as bonuses
bonus stuff (possible)
a; colored chat (allowing them to talk in chat with colored text)
b; nicknames (they can change their names whenever they like)
c; double turn time (allows play to shoot 2x in 1 turn if double weapons is on)
d; larger stats (lets the player upgrade the new meter setup to an extra bar each time they buy this)
e; Jumping (duh…lets the play jump slightly)
f; anything else
5) [moderation] this would work in a sense, having players that are dedicated (this cant be bought) by taking players that are very well trusted by you and are on very often in the game, that have the ability to prevent players from playing the game (i.e. banning them from the shell shock live 2 servers) so if a player tries to hack the “moderator” can ban them from using shell shock.
6) [miscellaneous] here are other thoughts i had..
a; making anything that costs money be able to be put on a subscription that costs more than 50 TC
b; letting players at the highest level that cant level up get “mini tank coins” for wining matches in a row (i.e. 20 mini TC = 1 regular TC) you lose all collected mini TC if you lose one of those matches, meaning 10-20 straight wins gives TC.
c; any other thoughts you might think would work aswell
Thank You For Reading And Considering These Opinions And Options
[\-~=|~ Lnom72 ~|=~-/]
Interesting ideas, thanks!
One thing that i though of wile i was reading this was by buying exp with tank coins ex. 5TC=100exp.
1) Absolutely yes. Very simple to use and understand.
2) This is a brilliant idea. It works much better than the current method since it brings the users and advertisers closer to the system.
You should create a generic interface that even allows people to run some basic question & answer things too if you want to add another method in.
So you could select to view an ad, whether it is a picture, or short video. And you could also fill out a quick survey as well at game load.
Maybe even have a list of ad themes after a while when you have a bunch of sponsors.
Also, for an extension of the mini TC thing mentioned by lnom72 above, just make TCs represented by major and minor currency format.
So you could have 1.02 TCs. The minor side would be the 20 mini TCs to TC part.
Every ad you view gives you .05 TCs. Simplifies the system by preventing the need for a separate counter in the code.
The only thing is where to place the ads in the game at the right times, the frequency (option for frequency would be nice too) and reward per ad. That will need to be carefully considered to find the right balance
3) Can’t hurt to do both. Have a premium service like standard, and an unlimited service which basically lasts as long as the lifetime of the game.
4) More options for customization.
Names, even icons next to names.
Also, if a person goes premium in any sense, ask them if they wish to keep ads on or off, if they are on.
While some people think that ads on premium services is a bad idea, some do prefer it as well.
I am on 2 sides of that myself. It depends on the service in general.
I’d keep them on, personally. Never know when I might see something really nice.
1: i didnt use that sorry i dont have money nor did the system let me earn any cause im in other country.
2: i love that idea that way anyone can become deluxe weather they r optional or not as long as u get tank coins im ok with it.
3: i think that having various options is better than just one expensive one.
4: maybe u can give deluxe acounts to registered players not those guests, that will last for 24hours and that would let people know how great it is and the’ll probably will want to keep going as deluxe, also it would only be a taste not the full pakage.
1. The system needs work. I don’t have very much money and I play this game at my library. I will never get a chance to experience weapon packs, maps, tanks, etc. I try free offers but the don’t work either. I believe that I should be able to earn tank coins by playing, not by being fortunate enough to have money to buy everything.
2. Great idea! I would love something like this. But the 5 ads to one coin thing should be changed because I don’t want to watch 50 ads just to get a map. Coins are free to give out. There is no reason to be stingy.
3. Like above, I will never have a chance to be a deluxe member. There should be a single paid rate or a single tank coins rate.
I really love this game, it takes my mind of other things. I just wish these big game companies would realize that not everyone in the world has money to spend on every little game. We try hard to make a living. These games take our minds away from life and provide a brief oasis. You have no idea how much it will mean to me and people like me if there was a way to access things just by playing. Thank you for reading this, and please deeply consider how I and others feel. Thank you.
I was just looking at my deluxe account and I Have like 12 tank coins left witch is useless to me right now. so I was thinking in S.S.L.2 you should make a reversible transaction system were the leftover tanks coins you have you can sell them back to S.S.L.2 and get your money back out of them. another thing i would like to see is account tank coin transfer system that you must approve by your email account, and one other thing i would like to see is E-mail account changing system. Okay that’s it I thought i would throw those out for you to think about. I hope to see them few things added, and thinks for you’r time to read this.
wtf?! you never posted my suggestion for free tank coins. it was full proof. i guess kchump dosnt want my help
well I hate ads I think you should block ads
umm… triple xp*;):)
too mugchsmiles for me!
so well
Well, i play on ArmorGames, on an account by this same name. a few things
1) i got a lifetime deluxe membership for SS1. i understand you guys have running costs and such, so transfering my lifetime from one game to the next wouldn’t be fair to you, but could a discount be possible perhaps? or could we get bonus tank coins at the start if we supported you in the past?
2) i wouldn’t mind seeing ads. a lot of games make everyone watch one ad at the start; that wouldn’t be too much of a bother. just don’t let us get stuck with those 2 minute long degree ads and the like. if i have to wait 2 minutes, i’ll usually go play something else. just being honest here.
3) maybe in the earn tank coins options you could have free video ads that earn us coins. maybe even like you say, have a running tally of our viewership and every 5 ads is a coin.
4) another idea, sorry this is for coins not your profit really (unless you really do include an ad at startup) is to have a daily spin like many MMO type games have. everyday you could get bonus xp or even coins. better rewards for consecutive days played, so after like 20 logins maybe even a chance for special spin only weapons or maps.
5)again i’m off topic here, but could you do without the map unlock every other level? or include weapons still with every level up? i love/hate when i unlock a new weapon- i’m happy i got a new gun, but now i have to grind through two more level ups for my next upgrade.
hope the input help out.
just a loyal fan, and fellow flash game maker here.
Murkus Dagger
You’ll receive a large helping of Tank Coins in SSL2 to show our appreciation for your support.
You got it – weapons every level!
Btw, you could really beef up the upgrade choices. i mean, lots of tank designs, some payed for, some aquired by level, or in a daily spin bonus. and of course the best you gotta buy.
also, as for wind, what if it aimed up and down as well as left to right? imagine a straight upward wind. or diagonally up and right/left.
just a thought
Don’t allow people to earn tank coins by winning rounds. this can be used to farm coins between people. ads are good, especially the option to turn them on and off. putting tank coins in crates as surprises is the best idea yet. As for revenue, more ads. also, you could lower your costs by releasing a downloadable server. Then you could have them join in-game via IP. however tank coins will not be given in-game in external servers, (like crates) to prevent hacking, however ads can still be viewed for tank coins because it is client only. if people run private servers, you will spend less money hosting, but people may view the code so there is still a problem… just a suggestion. Did I mention more ads?
tank coins for ads is a great idea. also use video ads, because they can bring a bit more revenue than click ads, and they’re more fun than click ads.
HERE’s a great way for revenue.
If the game becomes popular enough. you can release ssl and ssl2 products, like t-shirts, or keychains, or necklaces. something like that. Of course you would make sure people would buy it first. You could make bigger bucks this way.
Thank you for making my favorite game of all time, and being such wonderful people, because you asked us what to put in the game, rather than ignoring what we say and going with what you think is best. this game is going to truly be the best.
1. The coin system is great, and it will be even better if the hover crates could have coins in it.
2. I think that is a great idea, have ads be optional to view but then get rewarded.
3. Deluxe mode is fine.
4. I think it would be cool to also get exp from hover crates (rare of course). I don’t know if you already thought of that or not but i think its a good idea.
Oh yeah i was also thinking that when we level up, we could choose our reward, like choose between some weapons, a map, a tank, etc. That way your level doesn’t automatically determine what you have. It would be diverse.
For some additional revenue what about a donation option. If a member donates some money they get special recognition. Not any weapons, deluxe stuff or anything like that, but something like “donating member” next to name or a colored name. I am a member of a forum that has this and you can tell who is dedicated to it and appreciates its entertainment value when they have donated to it.
Deluxe is similar to this but to be honest there are a lot of people who don”t like Deluxe players. I have had Deluxe for a month with the 3 month option, and will probably not renew it. But if I could donate and get recognized for it I would give a little, and if more and more did as well that could add up in helping with costs, then the ads could become profitable.
Maybe even have a donation section or map where only donating members can play in it if they chose. Or best yet a Scorched Earth homage game:)
Thank you for the game, its fun and addicting!
kChamp I have a Very AWESOME idea You should add a Xp multiplier that you can buy in the upgrade store lets say you don’t have deluxe u buy that upgrade its like having deluxe without deluxe You have that XP multiplier and Deluxe you get like a 3X xp bonus at the end of the game…. I think that would help you and us low lvl’s that we will be.
Please comment and tell me what you think. Thanks!
kChamp one more thing
You should add a skip to end button on the map settings. For example u are at map 1 (Fist Map) u want map 60 (Last Map) press the skip to end button u are there after one click same for the other direction.